Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Напишите отзывы, пожалуйста - записались, а теперь очень страшно (особенно после просмотра результатов майской монопородки в Питере )
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Давай я напишу отзыв - чего хочешь услышать?Starfish писал(а):Напишите отзывы, пожалуйста - записались, а теперь очень страшно (особенно после просмотра результатов майской монопородки в Питере )
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Пиши всё, что знаешь!
Из отзывов о питерской моно поняла, что очень строга; не любит задранные хвосты и сглаженные стопы. Что еще
Из отзывов о питерской моно поняла, что очень строга; не любит задранные хвосты и сглаженные стопы. Что еще
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmNayt ... px?Id=4967 Вот результаты одной финской выставки, выиграли хорошие собаки По фото с питерской моно не совсем понятно, что предпочитаетStarfish писал(а):Пиши всё, что знаешь!
Из отзывов о питерской моно поняла, что очень строга; не любит задранные хвосты и сглаженные стопы. Что еще
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Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Юля,может это вам пригодится Монопородка в Одессе в октябре 2011г.
Послесловие, или краткое интервью с экспертом, вице-президентом Лабрадор Ретривер Клуба Финлядии -
Hannele Jokisilta
I was asked to write some of my observations about Labradors and Goldens which were showed at Odessa show October 2011. Quite many of the readers propably do not know me or my background in dogs so here is also some details about me. I have been in Labradors for 39 years, at my home we had petlabrador, I got my first own bitch 33 years ago, again unfortunately not showlabrador to my disappointment. But 1981 came first FI CH, yellow bitch called Reflect Remetzelda. She was also mother of my first litter 27 yrs ago and luckily proved to be very good producer. So then started prefix Palabras. As I was interested in breeding and showing I also became interested in judging and I have been now judging for 17 years, for the moment about 250 breeds and hopefully get some more. I have been judging in 19 different countries, all those countries Labradors and most of them also goldens.
In lab.speciality there were quite a lot labs, approx. 165 so I could not write critiques from all of the dogs and unfortunately only four best in classes did get critiques. So here is the chance to explain why so many did get very good and some of the dogs good. In Skandinavia we do not devide labs in colours when judging but in Russia and USA they do, and now I noticed also Ukraine. USA they have so big specialities that in their shows I understand the different classes for each colour but I am not I am not quite sure if it is good in other countries, you get quite many more chance to get cac than if you would jugde all the colours in same classes and maybe get the wrong expression that the dog is better than it is?? Especially in yellows in Odessa there were far too many dogs and bitches which had narrow head, no stop, big rounded eyes and they needed more bone and especially more coat. Those dogs had nice bodies and most of them moved ok- so maybe these dogs have been placed high for not a Labrador specialist? You have to remember that in standard which is very short there have been written a lot about the coat and tail! This is one of the main thing which is so special for labs, the other things to my opinion is the correct body and typical head. Blacks and chocolates had same problems but not so many and in chocolates there were on the contary to yellows some too heavy and strong headed dogs.
However, I did really like my final winners, best yellow and black males were still young dogs, about 2 years and needed more body which hopefully will come with age- otherwise very nice, typical dogs with nice heads, toplines and coats. Chocolate male was excellent quality, fully grown already but for the day in bad coat, although I could see that he has exc. coatquality.
Yellow bitch, which finally won BOB, was strong, still feminine, biggis but not too big, excellent body and typical coat, very good mover. Black bitch, at 7 years, beautiful head, exc. neck and topline with typical body and coat. Concidered her to win the breed but I would have wanted just a tiny bit more length to legs. Chocolate bitch also excellent quality with beautiful neck and topline and exc. coat.
2nd day I had goldens, luckily European type- last time I judged goldens was in Brazil and they have American type…that was difficult! Anyway, I did not have very big entry, especially when you think about previous day. In goldens there seems to be in all over the world fashion to breed dogs which has too low legs and long big body. Most of these dogs have strong bone, quite a lot coat and strong body so maybe this is the reason why breeders believe this “type”. I have judged goldens as long as labs and goldens have to have same proportions as Labradors, especially I mean length to legs. Of course otherwise they are quite different in details and even temperament. Goldens also must have very gentle expression which also seems to rarity nowadays. I did like my best bitch and best male, both I noticed from the same kennel. The BOB winner male was excellent golden with right proportions, good head, body and correct amount of coat and also topping of the cake: very good mover. He eventually became BIS-3 which was nice.
I thank for the committee for the super hospitality during the weekend, unfortunately I could not have time to see your famous city but maybe some other time.
Hannele Jokisilta
Послесловие, или краткое интервью с экспертом, вице-президентом Лабрадор Ретривер Клуба Финлядии -
Hannele Jokisilta
I was asked to write some of my observations about Labradors and Goldens which were showed at Odessa show October 2011. Quite many of the readers propably do not know me or my background in dogs so here is also some details about me. I have been in Labradors for 39 years, at my home we had petlabrador, I got my first own bitch 33 years ago, again unfortunately not showlabrador to my disappointment. But 1981 came first FI CH, yellow bitch called Reflect Remetzelda. She was also mother of my first litter 27 yrs ago and luckily proved to be very good producer. So then started prefix Palabras. As I was interested in breeding and showing I also became interested in judging and I have been now judging for 17 years, for the moment about 250 breeds and hopefully get some more. I have been judging in 19 different countries, all those countries Labradors and most of them also goldens.
In lab.speciality there were quite a lot labs, approx. 165 so I could not write critiques from all of the dogs and unfortunately only four best in classes did get critiques. So here is the chance to explain why so many did get very good and some of the dogs good. In Skandinavia we do not devide labs in colours when judging but in Russia and USA they do, and now I noticed also Ukraine. USA they have so big specialities that in their shows I understand the different classes for each colour but I am not I am not quite sure if it is good in other countries, you get quite many more chance to get cac than if you would jugde all the colours in same classes and maybe get the wrong expression that the dog is better than it is?? Especially in yellows in Odessa there were far too many dogs and bitches which had narrow head, no stop, big rounded eyes and they needed more bone and especially more coat. Those dogs had nice bodies and most of them moved ok- so maybe these dogs have been placed high for not a Labrador specialist? You have to remember that in standard which is very short there have been written a lot about the coat and tail! This is one of the main thing which is so special for labs, the other things to my opinion is the correct body and typical head. Blacks and chocolates had same problems but not so many and in chocolates there were on the contary to yellows some too heavy and strong headed dogs.
However, I did really like my final winners, best yellow and black males were still young dogs, about 2 years and needed more body which hopefully will come with age- otherwise very nice, typical dogs with nice heads, toplines and coats. Chocolate male was excellent quality, fully grown already but for the day in bad coat, although I could see that he has exc. coatquality.
Yellow bitch, which finally won BOB, was strong, still feminine, biggis but not too big, excellent body and typical coat, very good mover. Black bitch, at 7 years, beautiful head, exc. neck and topline with typical body and coat. Concidered her to win the breed but I would have wanted just a tiny bit more length to legs. Chocolate bitch also excellent quality with beautiful neck and topline and exc. coat.
2nd day I had goldens, luckily European type- last time I judged goldens was in Brazil and they have American type…that was difficult! Anyway, I did not have very big entry, especially when you think about previous day. In goldens there seems to be in all over the world fashion to breed dogs which has too low legs and long big body. Most of these dogs have strong bone, quite a lot coat and strong body so maybe this is the reason why breeders believe this “type”. I have judged goldens as long as labs and goldens have to have same proportions as Labradors, especially I mean length to legs. Of course otherwise they are quite different in details and even temperament. Goldens also must have very gentle expression which also seems to rarity nowadays. I did like my best bitch and best male, both I noticed from the same kennel. The BOB winner male was excellent golden with right proportions, good head, body and correct amount of coat and also topping of the cake: very good mover. He eventually became BIS-3 which was nice.
I thank for the committee for the super hospitality during the weekend, unfortunately I could not have time to see your famous city but maybe some other time.
Hannele Jokisilta
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Лена, Таня -
По запискам из Одессы - придирчива к шерсти и хвостам, не любит узкие головы, сглаженный стоп, круглые глаза; в то же время массивные головы, избыточный костяк и перегруженность тоже не приветствует, равно как и коротконогость.
Что ж - поглядим
По запискам из Одессы - придирчива к шерсти и хвостам, не любит узкие головы, сглаженный стоп, круглые глаза; в то же время массивные головы, избыточный костяк и перегруженность тоже не приветствует, равно как и коротконогость.
Что ж - поглядим
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Обращает внимание на шерсть и хвосты, и совершенно не считает, что всем надо давать отличноStarfish писал(а):Лена, Таня -
По запискам из Одессы - придирчива к шерсти и хвостам, не любит узкие головы, сглаженный стоп, круглые глаза; в то же время массивные головы, избыточный костяк и перегруженность тоже не приветствует, равно как и коротконогость.
Что ж - поглядим
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Фото с выставки в Одессе - странно, судя по интервью, хочет больше шерсти, а судя по расстановке - умеренное количество тоже устраивает
http://retriever.net.ua/showthread.php?t=12045
http://retriever.net.ua/showthread.php?t=12045
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Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
О,нашла в этой теме фото своего Гека,он был 2 в рабочем классе:)Elena писал(а):Фото с выставки в Одессе - странно, судя по интервью, хочет больше шерсти, а судя по расстановке - умеренное количество тоже устраивает
http://retriever.net.ua/showthread.php?t=12045
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Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Ага, тоже узнала егоИрина и Гектор писал(а): О,нашла в этой теме фото своего Гека,он был 2 в рабочем классе:)
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
25го, в ДолгопрудномВив писал(а): Юля, а где проводится эта выставка, куда Вы записались?
http://pesiq.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=37167
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Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Выставлялись под ней в щенках 2 года назад...Впечатления весьма положительные, Итону было 8 мес. и мы прошли 2 ми из 5 ти ЕМНИП. Очень понравилась ей наша шерсть и вообще описание отличное, но она посчитала его слишком крупным для 8ми мес, выиграл мальчик от дочки Ромео из Киева, красивый...
Помню, что было очень много оч.хоров и хоров., особенно в палевом окрасе, но это специфика Одессы, у нас многочисленное палевое поголовье и у многих схожие недостатки (скошенные крупы, низко посаженые хвосты,отсутствие шерсти и плеча), причем ИМХО все эти оценки были совершенно справедливы.
По моему мнению, выиграли лучшие, вопросов никаких не возникало...
Помню, что было очень много оч.хоров и хоров., особенно в палевом окрасе, но это специфика Одессы, у нас многочисленное палевое поголовье и у многих схожие недостатки (скошенные крупы, низко посаженые хвосты,отсутствие шерсти и плеча), причем ИМХО все эти оценки были совершенно справедливы.
По моему мнению, выиграли лучшие, вопросов никаких не возникало...
Знакомьтесь, Тадеуш и Итон ! http://www.labradory.od.ua/
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
А каталога так и нет?Starfish писал(а): http://pesiq.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=37167
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Нет - на САС есть, на остальные моно тоже, лабрадорский же каталог моно опутали завесой тайныElena писал(а):А каталога так и нет?Starfish писал(а): http://pesiq.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=37167
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
А на Сасе много собак?Starfish писал(а): Нет - на САС есть, на остальные моно тоже, лабрадорский же каталог моно опутали завесой тайны
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Около 20ти - но вроде как ещё дописывали аж до среды, так что, может, и побольше.Elena писал(а): А на Сасе много собак?
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Значит, и на моно будет не сильно больше.Starfish писал(а):Около 20ти - но вроде как ещё дописывали аж до среды, так что, может, и побольше.Elena писал(а): А на Сасе много собак?
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Думаю, что на моно значительно больше - на САС был заявлен Горбачевский, почти никого из собак темного окраска под него не записываютElena писал(а): Значит, и на моно будет не сильно больше.
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Я только за, чтобы больше Когда я последний раз тему смотрела, 6 собак было, многие боятся строгих экспертовStarfish писал(а): Думаю, что на моно значительно больше - на САС был заявлен Горбачевский, почти никого из собак темного окраска под него не записывают
Re: Jokisilta Hannele (Finland, Palabras Kennel)
Ну, судя по тому, что на моно выделено почти полтора часа, наверняка больше 20ти собакElena писал(а): Я только за, чтобы больше Когда я последний раз тему смотрела, 6 собак было, многие боятся строгих экспертов